It's been a while, but I didn't have any complaints after break in. Please dont take offence, I am just dead curious about it. You must log in or register to reply here. Is it really that costly to offer and stock a range of widths/sizes in order to ensure customers can find a comfortable shoe? Premium Leather Uppers stitched down well with Goodyear Welting strategies make the Carmina shoes to be one of the most well-finished shoes that we have had the privilege of wearing. But its a not a secret that English brands, in general (this for example does not go for the premium brands) use less good leather soles than Spanish and Italian makers of welted shoes, in general. Foot extends past footbed on sides. Meermin Ron 8E UK: Snug in every direction and noticeably narrow, but wearable with no socks. Its a comparable quality level, at a slightly lower price, and uses leather-board heel stiffeners. I recently started to be more careful about how I track my wardrobe spending. Most brands provide one width per shoe/last, which in the end really limits your ability to find the right fit (not to mention, to find the right fit for the shoe you actually want to buy). Focus were on shoes below 300, Carlos Santos nowadays is a bit above that, but definitely good for the price. I have covered Vass and TLB Artista before. It might be somewhat boring, but the greatest shoe design can be quite a disappointment when theres puckering on seams, marks on the leather or misaligned stitching. Out of the two shoe brands, however, Carmina shoes come forth as the best shoes in this discourse. Cork/insole filling will also compress. Thanks for the informative post. So much so, that one of the heels fell off during normal use. Meermins have also been fine, especially for suede loafers. The comment is only in reference to leather. ", Spain 1: TLB, Yanko, Septieme Largeur and Andres Sendra. 65 last 10D: Bad fit. Are there other difference? A lot of new brands have been popping up in recent years, too, especially in Asia, and they often feature impressive specs for the price. Fugashin is similar: the two are competitors in Vietnam. For the brands mentioned in this article, everyone uses split suedes, except Carmina and TLB Mallorca (C&J mainly have splits for Benchgrade, while they use reverse calf for Handgrade). Quoddy maliseets in lined suede: 11D, fits amazingly. And all the time there are new makers trying to offer quality for a little less, for a saving of 50 perhaps - or trying to up their quality at the same price. The Alden cordovan color of the shoe is achieved by a plastic pellicule which shaves rather quickly to reveal a light brown leather underneath. Best fitting Viberg last, comfortable from day one, even more than the newer 2030, but this has a little bit extra arch support and has some anatomical properties as well due to being a munson style. Comfortable out of the box and have continued to be excellent. Never felt loose. to my eye, both look too large for you based on these pics. Break-in was tough. Looking at the Genova last. After trying on shoes in Trading Post, the fit is so much better than any western brands Ive ever tried. Alden Trublanace 9D: Far more volume than I need and a lot of play side to side in the ankle area but certainly comfortable. For a reasonable upcharge, you can select any of their basic designs and pick your own choice of last, leather, and sole options. You might also care more with a dress oxford than a casual loafer. Im a student in Sweden and I have worn a couple of the brands mentioned in the article (and in the comment section) during the last couple of years. In durability? To put JC on the same shelf as JL, EG, STC and the like is certainly a stretch. Travel Shoes Poll: What shoes do you bring with you on short trips? Interesting. Make a mark at the front of your longest toe. European lasts just dont fit well as they have heels that are way too big. Carmina Simpson Oxford - 10 UK. Im really looking forward to the promised article on TLB Artista. Interesting that not many people would know that though. Sendra is a factory that makes for a lot of cheaper start-ups, because theyre so flexible and have no minimums. Overall, would you have a favourite among these brands? The sort of thing that Septieme Largeur really excel in . Simon, I was wondering what are your thoughts on Sanders. "But at the same time, I do think you get better value now for a 200 shoe than you did 10 years ago, despite inflation, because theres so much more competition. But in the same moment, I realised this was unfair. Styleforum is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. "The quality control isnt quite as good as the English as well.. For example, I got two new boots from the UK this week: a shell Carmina balmoral at just over $500 USD and C&J Galway 2 at just under $390 USD. Id not have worn them in wet conditions though. Cork-Injected Midsoles (Extra Comfortable). EL, I think you kind of answered the question in your first statement. I have a pair of MacNeil long wings made in 1977, two years before I was born, that I acquired used and had resoled. Would really appreciate any advice you can give! The only major disadvantage compared to Goodyear is that the stitches come through on the inside of the shoe. The insoles also havent molded to the shape of my foot as I would expect by this point. Ive undergone a career change and offices in the US have become more and more lax about dress standards, even prior to 2020. All leather if even sanded a tiny bit to remove flaws in the skin is corrected. GC RTW are made by C&J so they are likely to be quite similar. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. And do you know any retailer in continental Europe who sells Anthony Cleverley? Carminas just dont break down easily. Carmina shoes come with better finishing than the Meermin shoes. Seems to be a popular thing to write now. A couple of years ago, I returned two pairs of Oxfords that needed resoling after less than ten wears each. Free shipping for many products! Morjas, and the other Swedish brands Myrqvist and Skolyx, all use leather board heel stiffeners. I'm looking at a cobbler union in a 312 last they recommended 1.5 down from brannock. Im looking to acquire a couple of pairs of tassel loafers (one dark brown suede and one black calf). Grant Stone Alexander 8.5E: hoping these fix the sizing issues.**. Cobbler Union (above) is a newer brand, and more similar to TLB or Carmina, while Spier & MacKay is a clothing brand with a line of shoes at 220 which is decent for the price. Non-sense. Lets be honest here, what can you realistically expect from a 250 pair of leather shoes made in Europe, when a pair of sneakers produced under questrionable conditions in some third world country already cost as much if not more? Herringshoes.com). It depends what else you have of course, but a dark brown or slimmer overall look is more likely to be more useful,.and certainly better for suits. Unlike tailoring where fashions and preferences can change over time, given your taste and understanding of fit also develops, shoes are mostly immune to change. Main point, though, is that C&J, EG etc are different enough in quality to justify their price point in USD. Thanks. May have been fine with thinner socks. It takes days to sift through the carmina thread to even know relatively what size to buy. Foster & Son get this so much better with their RTW. Skolyx is easily the best budget tier brand I have come across. Shoe makes are easier than almost anything to compare in this respect, because you get something more at each level. Throughout this commentary from Jesper, its worth keeping in mind that some of the points are objective, some more subjective. Arch support was a bit painful the first wear but feels great after a few hours. In the end I find it would be the most comfortable of all three lasts. However Id like to venture another (partial) explanation (I have bespoke garments but no bespoke shoes): If the fit on an RTW shoe is good (comfortable all day, no blisters once broken in), is it really worth moving from C&J handgrade to bespoke? Last month, Swedish shoe brand Myrqvist (above) sent me a pair of their loafers to try. Guessing I'd need 9.5D or 9EE. Over the course of the day they tend to pinch my toes rather than stretching to accommodate my feet, as my C&J and Weston do. But now I can confidently say this was the right choice and it is worth breaking that arch in to get fit and support of this level. I did have a little heel slip in the beginning that went away. Good to have it spelt out, Michael is correct when simply paying a US retailer for a Northampton shoe, but Ive purchased over 20 pairs of English shoes and boots over the past 18 months, all directly from a myriad of U.K. retailers and stockists and in some cases, the factory directly. Its hard to say since theyre Chelsea boots, which means breaking in isnt as much of an issue as with lace-up shoes. Dress socks. NEW Allen Edmonds Leeds 9591 8.5 E Shell Cordovan Color 8 PTB Blucher USA. I wear a US10/UK9 and opted for a UK9, on Pepe's recommendation, and the fit is spot on. It is something that is destroying the reputation not only for these brands but for bespoke shoes in general. Foot extends past footbed on sides. Ive never been sure if I am just more accepting of shoe prices or if I am proportional as I bulk at the idea of spending 400 on a jumper but happy to buy C&J main line. I have, however, experienced considerably worse service at some of the establishments of allegedly higher grade companies, whose products I could easily afford, but whose customer service proved to be a very effective deterrent. I have to disagree. Carminas are more expensive than Meermin shoes. I absolutely could not go a half-size down. While, as you mention, most people dont see the difference between a 400 Goodyear welted shoe and a 4,000 bespoke shoe. Because my older Carmina heel stiffener are longer and substantial that the newer ones. I returned this pair. I just read on an Spanish forum that Meermin and Carmina used to buy together batches of leather from the same place. Hard as rock! Sendra has its own brand as well as making for others, which is a little more expensive than Berwick or Meermin. It will be creeping in going forward too, whenever it makes sense. Theyre not as refined as the other Asian brands, but stand out for making Goodyear in the old-school way, stitching directly to the insole. So, rather than the gemming method that most modern Goodyear shoes have, where a canvas ribbing is used instead. Japan: Scotch Grain, Otsuka, Miyagi Kogyo, Oriental. The shoe soles of the Carminas are truly some of the best in the market today. Carmina shoes are stylish, fashionable, chic, and very good-looking. Im thinking of trying something different and the George Cleverley Ready to Wear line has a whole cut I particularly like the look of. You are using an out of date browser. As a simple example, in the UK the price of Consul, a black calf, toe-cap Oxford will increase from the current price of 495 to 720. For what its worth Joshua, (with plenty of experience of both) I wouldnt necessarily consider C&J a step up from Trickers. Still pretty good value (it is the company I originally used before I could afford better) but not nearly as good as it was some time ago. Im a scrooge but think this is crucial to include in your mental budget. And the soles are much more flexible too, more similar to a Blake stitched shoe than a Goodyear welted one. Its a smidge roomy, but I don't believe going an extra half down would have worked and I prefer boots to be worn with boot socks. both pairs have a dainite (or dainite-type, in Meermin's case) sole the Meermins have blind eyelets, whereas the Carminas have a brass eyelet that look to match the speedhook finish the heel on the Carminas is quite a bit longer than Meermin's I wonder how much more comfortable it would be. The manager gave me a significant discount for resoling them but, even after three decades as a loyal customer, I would be reluctant to buy from them again. They both have a very knowledgeable blog dedicated to shoes. Switching to thin socks gives a very relaxed fit. Rancourt 113 loafer: men's size 6D is pretty good Meermin Hiro derby: men's UK 4.5 wearable but the heel is . Perhaps if I lived in Spain I would got to a Carmina store to gauge their quality and service. 2030 last 9.5: Acceptable fit with tongue pad and thin socks. I have had a very different experience with EG service. The next level of price is below 250. A lot of side to side play in the ankle. To me, they have been 100% worth the money. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, This is an example of what a good comment looks like. Morjas uses corrected-grain leather, despite their claims to the contrary. Jesper's information was based on information by two Carmina retailers. Since that was my advice in your survey, I can only but congratulate. These Meermin shoes are comfortable, fashionable, trendy, and highly durable. Thanks, Simon, Ive read those already. As been mentioned by Simon, dont see it as a complete list of brands, its just a selection of ones to highlight, theres plenty of good brands not mentioned (and plenty of less good ones as well). Were the shoes more structured I would go with 9.5D. Theyre all Spanish except Septieme Largeur, which is French but made in Spain. TLB Mallorca: I own a wingtip on the Alan last. Well done for covering affordable RTW brands instead of bespoke that few will be able to consider. For someone who was a first time buyer of Northampton shoes, that process was indispensable. Additional notes about feet:I was measured as 10.5D by an Allen Edmonds store associate several years ago. With TLB, you could choose a more versatile dark-brown calf, or perhaps brown suede but with leather soles. Theyre a solid make with a little paid for the brand, and decent value in the States - though not elsewhere, where duties make them much more expensive. Certainly compared to other parts of the shoe. Former Affiliate Vendor Threads; a Locked Forum. The best made, best value quality shoe on the market is Joseph Cheaney by a country mile. I have had great buys from Tricker none were country shoes, but one pair had channeled soles, which even at full price would have been a bargain. It is certain that a great pair of Carmina shoes would last you longer than any pair of Meermin shoes today. High Top vs Low Top Boxing Shoes: Which Is Best for You? I've come to think of myself as a 10E. document.getElementById("ak_js_1").setAttribute("value",(new Date()).getTime()); Footslide.com is a full-time participant of the Amazon Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, 2023 Footslide.com | All Rights Reserved. And nice finishing and detailing as you mentioned. Check the Noble Shoe eshop for several decent ones. It wont make them extremely soft, but should help in the process. After that in the US you get down into much cheaper brands, like John Doe which are made in Mexico. This article, then, is an analysis of the market for mens dress shoes below the Crocketts Handgrade level - all informed by Jesper. @ Matty, if your initial post was relatively friendly and good natured Im sure you would have gotten a similar reply. 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