Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. I'm inclined to disagree. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being Blue Pullman in grey and blue livery arriving at Bristol Temple Meads in 1973. [8][9], A fortnight before the WilliamsShapps Plan for Rail was unveiled, the Department for Transport gave notice of a 6.5million contract for Deloitte up to February 2023 as its "strategic change delivery partner: rail reform programme". On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part). Aren't best impressions the ones that did the 2015 Virgin East Coast HST? This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). Then theres the question of livery. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). Bare minimum, low effort. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. But do we really want to go back to that? The 25 kV electric locomotives were painted from new in a striking shade of bright blue which was known as "Electric Blue". Northern and TPE split into separate Northwest and Northeast brands. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. Swiss rail. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. It's good work (and the previous set). And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have decided to take a step back towards a national rail network with the launch of Great British Railways (GBR). I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. Plus what is one persons opinion of a great livery will be different to the next. Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages. Following the introduction of the Advanced Passenger Train in 1983, a similar livery to the APT's (dark grey on the upper body, and light beige on the lower, with two stripes of red and white separating them) was experimentally applied to two HST sets and the coaches operating the Gatwick Express service between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport. The first and second MKC signs are pretty classy and look good. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and its xenophobic, imperialist undertones make me want to vomit. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. The British Isles in my old school geography books included the island of Ireland but I wouldn't have said that in my recent visit to the country! | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? JavaScript is disabled. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. In terms of signage, here's what I was working on this morning: Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway, it's good", it says "we have spent the bare minimum, stick to your car". Home Forums In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. This livery suited these diesel hydraulic classes, and allowed the Western Region to once again show a degree of independence; it was not applied to any other diesel or electric classes (other than the Class 42/43 "Warships"). [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. English regions, Scotland, and Wales will have their own variants, but these will still emphasise the national nature of GBR. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. It'll be operated quite differently. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. JavaScript is disabled. Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. for some form of co-branding. It may not display this or other websites correctly. A mock-up for the British Railways Mark 2 stock was displayed at the Design Centre, 28 Haymarket, London, (the showrooms of the Council of Industrial Design) in 1964. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. Make the name central and it'd be perfect. The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. It may not display this or other websites correctly. From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. Great Northern split, with the Moorgate services becoming part of the London Overground brand and the Kings Lynn route becoming part of the LNER brand. Finsbury Park. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR? particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. Standing on the sidelines of national politics and shouting is just what capital-U Unionism does now. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. Id like GN non-Moorgate stuff to join Greater Anglia, as they dont fit in LNER imo. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. Not so much the modern LNER though. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. [7], The reorganisation does not affect Northern Ireland, where the railway is already operated by the vertically integrated and already wholly state-owned Northern Ireland Railways. Feb 1, 2020. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. It's the name of the island ffs. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. Withdrawn 01001 is just visible at the rear. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. There have also been subtle font changes. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. Wholely agree. 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